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Suicide? Acceptable in Rome?
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molideha
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

now that this thread has been resolved (LOL), i think we can all agree we now have 2 new terms in Lux.

PopHat: One who pops poorly defended income. This new term will only apply to the Rome map where players consider it tantamount to a declaration of war.

Romicide: A retailiation move on the magnitude of 10:1 or more. A Romicider will send all available troops in response to the slightest provocation. Where as the same move on non-Rome maps is considered a suicide, Rome players consider this move as defending one's right to retaliate.
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Llux Llama
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

molideha wrote:
now that this thread has been resolved (LOL), i think we can all agree we now have 2 new terms in Lux.

PopHat: One who pops poorly defended income. This new term will only apply to the Rome map where players consider it tantamount to a declaration of war.

Romicide: A retailiation move on the magnitude of 10:1 or more. A Romicider will send all available troops in response to the slightest provocation. Where as the same move on non-Rome maps is considered a suicide, Rome players consider this move as defending one's right to retaliate.


hee hee hee hee
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Dominator
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

molideha wrote:
now that this thread has been resolved (LOL), i think we can all agree we now have 2 new terms in Lux.

PopHat: One who pops poorly defended income. This new term will only apply to the Rome map where players consider it tantamount to a declaration of war.

Romicide: A retailiation move on the magnitude of 10:1 or more. A Romicider will send all available troops in response to the slightest provocation. Where as the same move on non-Rome maps is considered a suicide, Rome players consider this move as defending one's right to retaliate.


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Pars
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dominator wrote:

I was in a strong position .. popped a weaker player .. .

Whatever.


In rome map I dont just pop or love tap a weak player, when I strike, I make sure 2 kill him/her. coz I know they will hit back if make them weak and they have cash. SO IF you u strike, eliminate them, dont let have a chance to hit back, coz 99 % of time they will.

I agree with NN-Grim that rome is diffrent but I dont agree that crazy moves (crap moves) are more allowed or ok just coz it is not sunday.
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Nimrod7
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

n00less cluebie wrote:
Thetan wrote:
-NN-Grim wrote:
ok,
I've had enough with the forum back and forth.
I have limited time to waste and I prefer to waste it playing instead of typing.
you guys carry on.


Shocked ergh...dude....aren't moderators supposed to be moderating the forums and wasting time typing?


Pfffff....if that were the case _I_ would be a Mod....


No kidding.
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paranoiarodeo
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dustin via the Moderation Log wrote:
William Wallace was banned for 1 week due to abusive language and excessive swearing.


Seriously ... who didn't see that doink comin' ... ?!

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Big Will E Style
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I think he is a reincarnated Westsidekilla. Very similar personality.
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Micella
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paranoiarodeo wrote:
dustin via the Moderation Log wrote:
William Wallace was banned for 1 week due to abusive language and excessive swearing.


Seriously ... who didn't see that doink comin' ... ?!




This is nothing but proof that if you want something bad enough, and are willing to put in the work, it will happen for you.

Good Job, WilliWall! I knew you could do it!
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Dominator
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

William got banned?

How unfortunate ...
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C-Rex
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting discussion. And since what I would like to say about this has already been said above, I just checked wikipedia to steal some quotes about suicides in rome...I find it interesting that 'uneconomic suicides' were forbidden. 'Uneconomic' as in 'not playing to win' maybe...?

Or did poor Will try to commit a "patriotic suicide" with his move...?


In Rome suicide was never a general offense in law, though the whole approach to the question was essentially pragmatic. This is illustrated by the example given by Titus Livy of the colony of Massalia (the present day Marseilles), where those who wanted to kill themselves merely applied to the Senate, and if their reasons were judged sound they were then given hemlock free of charge. It was specifically forbidden in three cases: those accused of capital crimes, soldiers and slaves. The reason behind all three was the same - it was uneconomic for these people to die. If the accused killed themselves prior to trial and conviction then the state lost the right to seize their property, a loophole that was only closed by Domitian in the first century AD, who decreed that those who died prior to trial were without legal heirs. The suicide of a soldier was treated on the same basis as desertion. If a slave killed himself or herself within six months of purchase, the master could claim a full refund from the former owner.
The Romans, however, fully approved of what might be termed "patriotic suicide"; death, in other words, as an alternative to dishonor. For the Stoics, a philosophical sect which originated in Greece, death was a guarantee of personal freedom, a way out of an intolerable existence. And so it was for Cato the Younger, who killed himself after the Pompeian cause was defeated at the Battle of Thapsus. This was a 'virtuous death', one guided by reason and conscience. His example was later followed by Seneca, though under somewhat more straightened circumstances. A very definite line was drawn by the Romans between the virtuous suicide and suicide for entirely private reasons. They disapproved of Mark Antony not because he killed himself, but that he killed himself for love.
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ratmouse
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh one whole week without william wallace chattering away


is it christmas?
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BDF
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suicide almost never. Very few exceptions.

1. If a player is bent on targeting you and giving you the lowest possible placement in the game, and happens to be larger than you and impossible to weaken strategically. If your gona get 6th no matter what, you might aswell do yourself the honor of not dying in vain lol.

2. If you are turtling. Hitting income of a turtle pretty much ends his game. Can't retake the continent as it will gain cards for him, and can't survive without the continent. Besides if I player hits a turtle once, he's very likely to do it yet again next round.

3. If you've been harassed repeatedly (targeted) by a certain player, and lose your temper, it's understandable, as long as not persistant in every game. Everyone gets mad as some point.

4. If you have to leave. Best would be to hand over to another player, but if you chose to suicide, do it evenly and fairly. Taking one player entirely out of the game is pretty much targeting.


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RogueMonk
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BDF wrote:
Suicide almost never. Very few exceptions.

1. If a player is bent on targeting you and giving you the lowest possible placement in the game, and happens to be larger than you and impossible to weaken strategically. If your gona get 6th no matter what, you might aswell do yourself the honor of not dying in vain lol.

2. If you are turtling. Hitting income of a turtle pretty much ends his game. Can't retake the continent as it will gain cards for him, and can't survive without the continent. Besides if I player hits a turtle once, he's very likely to do it yet again next round.

3. If you've been harassed repeatedly (targeted) by a certain player, and lose your temper, it's understandable, as long as not persistant in every game. Everyone gets mad as some point.

4. If you have to leave. Best would be to hand over to another player, but if you chose to suicide, do it evenly and fairly. Taking one player entirely out of the game is pretty much targeting.


5. When playing against BDF. Very Happy
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William Wallace
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nevermind, not even gunna' argue this again, its been over a year

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Dominator
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

molideha wrote:
now that this thread has been resolved (LOL), i think we can all agree we now have 2 new terms in Lux.

PopHat: One who pops poorly defended income. This new term will only apply to the Rome map where players consider it tantamount to a declaration of war.

Romicide: A retailiation move on the magnitude of 10:1 or more. A Romicider will send all available troops in response to the slightest provocation. Where as the same move on non-Rome maps is considered a suicide, Rome players consider this move as defending one's right to retaliate.


Can we call this one of the best posts of alltime? I swear every time I read it I laugh. I also have heard the terminology thrown around on a pretty casual basis.

love love love it

Razz
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William Wallace
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahaha

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Darth Rellek
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dominator wrote:
I also have heard the terminology thrown around on a pretty casual basis.

love love love it

Razz

I hear ya Dom, I was once told that I suicided, AFTER I won ?!?!?!?!
Today it seems, if you hit somones income, they call it suicide.

Kinda like the words asshat and half kill.

Yesterday, I hit a guy, 2 armies, and he claimed it was half kill. Mind you, it was round 3.

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BDF
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rome is pretty much all I play. I think everyone I know suicides every now and then. To some extent it's acceptable, but not on a regular basis. It's bullshit.

Inadequately defended income gets hit. Fullstop.

0 isn't adequate, 1... isn't likely to be adequate in the first 3 rounds, 2 should be. But as you proceed in the game it should be more. Suicidng for getting your income hit 'cos you sprawl and defend all of the spain region with 1s makes you a noob. That's all. End off. I'm not taking arguments.
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