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Marauder Midnight Luxer

Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 443
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Dustin, that is great news and thanks for the help!!
∞ Marauder wonders how long it will take for GK to hurl insults in his direction ∞
Happy Luxing everyone  |
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Milltycoon Bagels with Lux

Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 285
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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As per profanity:
The Yahoo Spades lounges had unmoderated rooms riddled with profanity for years, and there were usually 2 or 3 thousand people playing Spades at any given time, even though the gameplay was nothing particularly special compared to the 30 other places people can play free online Spades, and the 3-minutes-per-card time limit meant that at least 10% of all games disintegrated into teammates arguing through stall-fests. What basically killed Yahoo Spades? Ads upon entering every room. (And probably the diminishing of Yahoo's overall brand too.) There was a mute button, and people used it fairly often, and apparently almost no one was offended enough by foul language to even leave a game, let alone quit Yahoo Spades permanently.
I'm fine with Lux having moderation and certain rules of polite etiquette. Since people paid for the game, they have a right to play in a sufficiently pleasant arena. But I can't believe that anyone leaves online Lux because of profanity. People might not like getting screamed at for 15 minutes at a time, and people might not like over-aggressive gameplay or general rudeness, but I see how other sites with chat logs run, and almost no gaming community is always courteous, especially to new players. We're anonymous lunatics frenetically playing a war game where you have to make a decision in 5 seconds about killing someone's entire game's worth of troops. People are going to get angry. The trick, if we want to foster a better community, is that after a rant (or for the other players, during one), someone should be the voice of calm and give solace and advice to the new player. |
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engie Lux Dynamo

Joined: 02 Aug 2010 Posts: 641 Location: Tejas
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Drifter Lux Moderator


Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 6631 Location: An undisclosed location... for reasons of security, and therefore... insecurity...
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Milltycoon wrote: | | But I can't believe that anyone leaves online Lux because of profanity. | I am not posting as a mod, just another Luxxer...
For the majority of the thin skinned peeps out there, it is not the profanity in and of itself that is used that is offensive, but rather the nature the way the words are used in an insulting manner that bothers the player, IMHO.
But for some of us holdouts who are thick skinned, we prefer to hear our cussing from someone we have dodged (or taken) a bullet or two with, not some wet behind the ear punk who just learned how to use a keyboard a few weeks ago... if that makes any sense. YMMV. |
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imapickle is a pickle

Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 619 Location: in the jar next to the marmalade
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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I think that any society where sensitivity is regarded as a bad thing rather than a good thing is deeply sick. So maybe if it is a good thing if the online community does die.
I believe that lux with its currently fashionable settings favours a certain kind of person with a certain kind of way of thinking. I feel sure that if the crazily short turn timers were abolished, more people would join, but maybe not the kind of people who the currently dominant players would like to see.
On another note, I was sorry to see that baden got a forum ban, quite unjustifiably in my opinion. |
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Big Will E Style RAW Dogger

Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 2485 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Lol you are funny pickle or maybe the word is contradicting...either way, you are it! |
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Mushy Peas Lux Newbie

Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 377 Location: You will be notified when his ransom is due.
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Wow, good to see some movement.
Quick question for para.
As our general uberhost, can you set up rooms that ONLY allow in people with 100 games or less?
Just a thought that if they have say a classic, MOTW and bio room, they might go there rather than get crowded out by lots of hating pros?
I'm sure I've seen other online games where the progression of room entry is dictated by experience or win percentage for example. |
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Darth Rellek Sith Lord

Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 1334
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Its only dead, if you the community let it die ! |
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Nimrod7 Lux Moderator


Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 9434 Location: Under the big top
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Mazza posted this in another thread and I thought that it deserved a place in here as well.
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Mara, lux is not dead whilst there are peeps like you questioning whether it is or not, and with peeps like me, who have taken so many life-long lessons back home to me from all of you. It aint dead when there are peeps like Drifter, who is the big-brother to me that i never had, the guy who made me want to join a community such as this. Lux is not dead when there is TSK and Jester, wasting countless hours with their forum games......lux is not dead when para is wasting the best yrs of his life, with toothpicks holding his eyes open, so that he can finish his newest.....whatever the fuck they r called, data-facts? graph analysis? probabilities.......ranking pages etc. It aint dead when there can be a group of people who are actually so proud to call themselves clowns, that they actaully play like em, and act like em??
Remeber 1 thing.......Dustin did not create this community. We all did. He only gave us the "meeting spot" where all of us could come and learn from each other, banter with each other, create the games we love, to compete with each other in the games we all love to play....the ones where it is so impossible in the real world to get 5 others to sit with you for 8 hours so u can actually play this game, the pub where we hang out, the tournies which all you created...i mean, sure, lux may be a little "dormant" at the moment, but, hey, many things that do sleep for alittle while actually do wake once again. Frankly, it is up to all of us.....the ones who care, to change this place again for the better...as dustin only created the game, but not the community, it really is up to us to create the environment in which peeps want to come and join us and play too. Maybe everyone who actually cares should write a little mission statement, even if it is only 1 line long. 1 way to improve lux from everyone who cared will be a lot better than no ideas from anyone, whether it be to help new players instead of yelling, being proactive in encouraging them to join the forums, or forum games, instead of callin peeps dicks for half-killing, be a little more relaxed about it, after all, it is only a GAME |
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paranoiarodeo Lux Moderator


Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 8175 Location: Perched Upon the Eternal Throne of Lobotomia
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Mushy: I could setup an informal autobooter, and create rooms that were limited to players with or without a certain number of games. A more ideal setup would be a Lux app programmed restriction like: "✱ You are too experienced to guest into this game ✱" But dustin's busy with other things, so that's probably pie in the sky. I'll look into setting up a test room in the near future.
(With five teaming Reapers, of course. Must! Crush! Newbies!)
pickle: Baden was given a short term vacation from the forums. Only fourteen days! He'll be back soon, and more Badenish than ever, I suspect. In fact, this is the first time someone has been given a "duration specific" forum suspension. In the past, all forum bans were indefinite and semi-permanent. We're trying something new here. He's not being thrown outta the community. He's just being asked to take a deep breath, and focus his wit and charm in a more positive direction.
(We all wub Baden.) |
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Nimrod7 Lux Moderator


Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 9434 Location: Under the big top
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Pie... in the... sky?
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Deep Blue's 010001001101

Joined: 06 Dec 2007 Posts: 247 Location: reality
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Make the classic map free to play.
Rest of the maps you pay.
Ok chaos at first, but when you have enough players and maybe to much you can alway start cleaning.
or release a temp crack. This how i found the game, i searched risk in isohunt. If you google risk: NO LUX!!!!?????
cheers deep |
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hoodie Burning Man

Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 4749 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:05 am Post subject: |
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So what's the status of fixing the raw formula? I've admittedly dropped out of any competitive luxing and haven't really followed the progression of MoliRaw, but has it been working well? And if so, is it possible for it to become the official ranking system?
I.... might... try again if competition accurately reflected who played the best, and lost the cartoonish ups and downs and bonuses.
For now I'm headed out traveling for a month. Be well everyone. |
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n00less cluebie Lux N00b

Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 7075 Location: At the Official Clown Reference Librarian Desk--'All the answers you weren't looking for.'
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| imapickle wrote: |
On another note, I was sorry to see that baden got a forum ban, quite unjustifiably in my opinion. |
There are 2 issues with Baden here, imapickle:
1. His style of Gameplay: It has been pointed out that his strategy is not one that is effective at winning, but IS effective at ticking other players off. We started a discussion on what the appropriate response to this style of gameplay is, and whether one should be free to play however one wants, and this was so far inconclusive. BTW, for all his, shall we call it "sub-par" game style, Baden was nothing if not polite in the chat, at least any time that I've observed him. Baden considers his game play to be on the same level of "character" and "personality" as General-K's excellent-play but overreaction to bad moves; I tend to disagree that the two are fundamentally different, though each presents its own sets of problems. In the end, para has pointed out, that his ban has nothing to do with this.
2. Baden has been fairly consistent with his negative behavior on the forums. He's spent over 2 months first hinting at para's faults, and then when no one would take the bait, he became more and more forthright in decrying the great fouls of paranoiarodeo, and his own negative opinion on him. He's opened numerous topics on the same subject, even when the topics were locked by different moderators and warned not to continue along the same line of thought. I think the Moderators were slow to curtail Baden for so long because they did not want to appear to be showing favoritism, or squashing dissent against any proposed "leadership" of the Lux community, but truth be told, if Baden had made the same kinds of comments over any other Luxxer, he would probably have been banned weeks ago....
I can only hope that when he returns, he moves onto another topic |
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jesterme Lux Jester

Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Posts: 2620
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Pies with wings?! YUM! |
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paranoiarodeo Lux Moderator


Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 8175 Location: Perched Upon the Eternal Throne of Lobotomia
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| hoodie wrote: | | So what's the status of fixing the raw formula? |
I feel kinda silly replying to hoodie, 'cause he's gonna be gone for the rest of this thread, but as some of you already know, I independently reverse engineered the RAW formula a couple of years ago, and have been tinkering with changes ever since. I was planning on a month long classic only beta test beginning either June 23rd or 30th. Depends upon how much work I can get done this weekend, and how long it takes to explain all of the changes to players, so they're familiar and comfortable with things. Ideally, I could roll out the system on more maps immediately after, and new medium term (three month) seedings would coincide with the final weekend of Luxtober. However, I don't wanna get ahead of myself by over-promising and under-delivering, so that's all I'm gonna say for now. Lots of work ahead, and I probably only get one bite at this apple, so I wanna do it right.
(More details on Monday.) |
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Nimrod7 Lux Moderator


Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 9434 Location: Under the big top
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| hoodie wrote: | So what's the status of fixing the raw formula? I've admittedly dropped out of any competitive luxing and haven't really followed the progression of MoliRaw, but has it been working well? And if so, is it possible for it to become the official ranking system?
I.... might... try again if competition accurately reflected who played the best, and lost the cartoonish ups and downs and bonuses. |
The biggest flaw that I have seen with moliraw is that it does not take into account aliases. So I could play as Nimrod7 and compete for moliraw at the beginning of the week, and then change my alias towards the end of the week to compete for the gold. I am sure there are other flaws, but that is the glaring one that grabs my eye. |
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n00less cluebie Lux N00b

Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 7075 Location: At the Official Clown Reference Librarian Desk--'All the answers you weren't looking for.'
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Nimrod7 wrote: | | hoodie wrote: | So what's the status of fixing the raw formula? I've admittedly dropped out of any competitive luxing and haven't really followed the progression of MoliRaw, but has it been working well? And if so, is it possible for it to become the official ranking system?
I.... might... try again if competition accurately reflected who played the best, and lost the cartoonish ups and downs and bonuses. |
The biggest flaw that I have seen with moliraw is that it does not take into account aliases. So I could play as Nimrod7 and compete for moliraw at the beginning of the week, and then change my alias towards the end of the week to compete for the gold. I am sure there are other flaws, but that is the glaring one that grabs my eye. |
What about the flaw of allowing a CLOWN to compete????  |
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SmotPoker Lux Addict

Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 1100 Location: Pot farm
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Marauder wrote: | | Quote: | | Are you offering to pay subscription fees? |
Just so it's out there, I am.
If subscription fees went directly into r/d and expansion of marketing for this game, I would gladly pay a fee. |
I too am willing to pay yearly fees, if it would help increase our online community. |
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Mushy Peas Lux Newbie

Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 377 Location: You will be notified when his ransom is due.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: |
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That's interesting Para, although it is only one part of the process. We need Dustin (in the upcoming newsletter for example) to ensure that the word gets out to newbies that there are safe places to play where they can learn the game online without being battered silly by the pros. It's no fun getting killed in round 4 every game because you still think cashing first is the best strategy.
Looking forward to any of these upcoming changes though, raw calculator or otherwise.
There already seems to be more people playing at the moment just down to this thread! |
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Milltycoon Bagels with Lux

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Well, if they use that strategy and do cash first, they probably don't get killed in Round 4 (with 0 or 1 card). But the gist of what you say is true. A novice Lux room, possibly without any vets even allowed in, but certainly disallowing vets from playing, would be a good thing. |
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Rhye Lux Crooner

Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 2055 Location: From Here to Eternity
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Milltycoon wrote: | | Well, if they use that strategy and do cash first, they probably don't get killed in Round 4 (with 0 or 1 card). But the gist of what you say is true. A novice Lux room, possibly without any vets even allowed in, but certainly disallowing vets from playing, would be a good thing. |
Keep in mind, Milltycoon, the newbies will learn far slower if veterans aren't allowed to help them. It's like chess; you learn much more when you play against a strong player than when you play against a weak one regardless of how strong you actually are (wow, there has been a lot of chess references lately.) What should be done (in my semi-humble opinion) is that only newbies and certain veterans should be allowed to join in certain rooms. If you make up a list of say... 10 veterans (as a random example) that you know are good, kind players and know the map very well then they can enter, watch, and advice the players. Those veterans could also join into the room if they wanted to give a true demonstration. Something in this neighborhood may be most beneficial.
(Feel free to shoot down my ideas if you feel they suck.)  |
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Nimrod7 Lux Moderator


Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 9434 Location: Under the big top
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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imapickle is a pickle

Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 619 Location: in the jar next to the marmalade
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imapickle is a pickle

Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 619 Location: in the jar next to the marmalade
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Thinking i might call it a day and move on now. Every game of lux just seems to be one big argument. Very rarely do i get a game that doesnt leave a bad taste in the mouth after. Sometimes i think that most of the players that continue playing do so out of pure addiction. Hardly anyone seems to be having a good time. |
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Llux Llama Llux Amucks

Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 4983 Location: Llustrious Order of the Lluminated Llama Mango Groves
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:38 am Post subject: |
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How many games have you played with me in them lately? I know I have only been playing (as a posed to posting) again for 2 weeks or so. But I light right up when I see you in a room and come in. To my recollection, they were mostly fun games. In one of them (I don't remember if you were there) someone said "you fucking idiot" or something like that to me when I killed him. I used my typical response which is ∞ Llux Llama does the you fucking idiot dance of joy ∞ and went on with the game.
You are not going to have all pleasant games because they involve humans...not just pickles and Llamas. It's a numbers game. I am in it for those 3 or 4 games in a week when i am in a room full of people I really like. The rest of the time I just enjoy the game because I enjoy the game. the ,/mute command is your friend. Also try dancing. Once you dance off a few nasty comments the commentator usually gives up. Also, try giggling. |
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Nimrod7 Lux Moderator


Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 9434 Location: Under the big top
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| It's all about who you play pickle boy. Most games I play, I am selective of who I play with so that I can have some good, fun games. |
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Stelee Booth's Mistress

Joined: 07 Jan 2009 Posts: 620 Location: Heralding the Apocalypse
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Llux Llama Llux Amucks

Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 4983 Location: Llustrious Order of the Lluminated Llama Mango Groves
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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General K 1 14 +90 591
Baden 2 14 +30 530
Llux Llama 3 11 +15 515
imapickle 4 11 +1 501
El Castigador 5 7 -15 485
TSK So lovely do we CARE how she ranks?
Red Beard 1 12 +122 854
Mumps 2 12 +11 1071
imapickle 3 11 +15 709
TSK 4 11 0 555
JUD.E 5 11 -17 706
Llux Llama 6 8 -68 687
Tell me that THESE were not fun games.....besides the fact that both of us lost horribly....and I DID take the liberty of editing out a few games in between.....but STILL! |
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Baden Lux Elder

Joined: 13 Oct 2004 Posts: 2174 Location: Baden (Germany)
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| dustin wrote: | | ...and encouragement for subscribers to come play online. |
For new subscribers and all players it was earlier an "encouragement" to play vs. "Dustin" some time and we met frequently.
You did not play as "Dustin" any online game since more than a year now.
Perhaps you have any reason to stay out. I hope it is not boredom?
I managed department stores in my professional career. The most important marketing tool is being part of the "game". That means that the top-manager has to meet the clients daily in the stores. Watch, listen correct them or shake hands. If you sit only in your office making plans an alienation is the result. That is bad for the business. Even talented managers and hosts like "Para" are not able to fill the gap.
I am pretty sure that all the discussions like "Is Lux dead" will vanish soon if the "creator" would show up more in person again instead of sending newsletters or derailing to "Facebook".
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