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Packman · Loves his dice! Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 2226

Today I witnessed some awful bad plays. So I decided to take a whole different strategy as a test.

http://sillysoft.net/lux/rankings/game/613339

I took my first card in round 11. Yes round 11. I turtled from first round then carded when it was down to three players and 1 had 4 cards. My luck he went to 5 cards and the other guy tried to kill him and missed. I had a 3 card cash and won the damn game. The game was pathetic, just like all the ones before it. What is going on with people these days? I should have been whittled away early in the game but everyone is afraid to waste a couple on a turtle. Often times players who are AFK finish better than people who are actually playing. How is that fun for anyone? Has lux become a win at all costs community now? Or does anyone play just to have fun?

kitty on catnip · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject:

I find that winning IS fun. And I think it's the bio, and other maps that make the overall gameplay suffer...

jwd · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject:

Pack is both wise and a keen observer of the condition of Luxdom...

Somewhere, baby lincoln is weeping...

Sigh.

jwd

Packman · Loves his dice! Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 2226

Shockandawe · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

I would agree with bio. I ran into someone that got into a classic game today then proceeded to say "Oh i didn't notice this was classic" I take oz on my first turn holding with 5 armies. He took everything he had and hit me. Whats he say? "I just don't want you to have oz" I ended up getting sixth that game....

kitty on catnip · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject:

lol, I find that funny. you play to ruin the game, and yet you win.

well, I also enjoy good games where I get 2nd, or 3rd. It's all situational. but, as I said, gameplay overall has diminished significantly.

when's the last time we have seen a para, grozoth, preacherman, kitty, dominator, GK, furball, etc, etc...

there hasn't been one top eschelon player in the past year and a half that is able to compete at the level of the other top classic players...

that age seems to be over with...which makes me sad...

Dominator · The Man Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 1287

You know pack, I agree with you here. This weekend was just FULL of pathetic kill attempts. I couldn't win a game because I was never lucky enough to be after the person who screwed the game up. I like to have fun when I play and I like to win. Both of those things go hand in hand, however I could still have fun even without winning. I have had tons of fun in kp's throne room jamming to some tunes, but lately I have come across too many ignorant, cut-throat players. To build on what pack said... I have also found myself turtling much more because of the kill kill kill mentality. I saw players cash on 3 and kill others with 4 too many times last week. Every time the response was " I thought I could make it to my next turn. " The only time I'll even ATTEMPT something like that is if I am 110% sure that I am going to live. KP, host some games with the throne room radio. THOSE nights are FUN!

kitty on catnip · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject:

I have a theory that is is also just as difficult to win a game full of noobs, or asshats, as it is against top players. Simply because you can't control what stupid shit someone else will do, and when someone will ruin a game...it's all luck that you act after that bad play.

jwd · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject:

magpie · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject:

i got the comment last week...magpie is getting slow..he missed a kill there..all he does is sit there and wait for a mistake...

guess what i do...and this is why

i personally only try for kills when i know i can complete them, you will not see me miss too many kills...not that i'm perfect, i just know the dice sux so why risk it with so many fools out there.

sad

Sad

deez nuts · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject:

i would rather come in 5th for killing a pathetic turtle than 2nd, i have never and will never turtle

jwd · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject:

Well,

I turtle when there's nothing better to do.

for instance.

I get suicided or halved... Anything I have left to do is either suicide or adding to my card total, and rewarding the asshattish BS... If you're in a game with one or two asshats and a couple of other players too stupid/pathetic to play asshats 1st.. what else should you do?

Frankly, I wish there was an option to suicide on myself and zero out my cards in that type of situation...

jwd

Adam F · Lux Newbie Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 19

I will attest to the horrible bio play. I find myself becoming a crappier player after a couple weeks in those rooms. There's only so much asshatting someone can take before they become somewhat asshattish themselves. And i've noticed other good players playing like crap in bio rooms as well. As my overall win percentage suffers I find myself wanting to go back to standard deux...but I can't. Bio is like crack cocaine, an addictive and disruptive force that is leaving the bio ghettos and disrupting life in the once peaceful lux suburbs. Someone cure me of this demon.

The Wontrob · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:33 am Post subject:

The Wontrob chants 'Bio is like crack cocaine, an addictive and disruptive force that is leaving the bio ghettos and disrupting life in the once peaceful lux suburbs. Someone cure lux of this demon.'

edited to change 'me' to 'lux' because i don't play bio (anymore for those of you wise-asses pulling up my played numbers)

Goten6456 · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:10 am Post subject:

I think everyone plays for RAW Pack. As long as RAW exists, people will play to get it. I've noticed people play to win until they can't. When they can't, they play for the next best thing.

I play for fun every single game. I haven't even TRIED to get decent RAW in about a year. Most people do not want to play for fun. The leaderboards and those fake medals mean something to them.

If you RAW chase, I do not mean to offend you. But I think that a game is designed for one thing - entertainment. If the only thing entertaining you is your name in the few top spots on the standings page, then I would suggest finding another activity.

I know I've lost my temper sometimes, but when I look back, I say to myself "Why?" Who cares what my winning percentage is? Who cares what my RAW is? Who cares about what medals I have? Who will see them? Who will envy me, even if I am the best? And if they do, what kinds of feelings do I get from that envy?

I would suggest reading an article that Wabbit of Doom wrote about her addiction to a game that I found interesting. Look it up in the Pub. I think she will explain to you that your name on a computer game standings page is not more important that other things in your life.

Play for fun. Make some friends, have a good playing, but also a good time chatting. Play to win, and always remember that it is just a game. Nothing comes out of it. If someone asshats you, just wait for the next one, because there will always be one.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm tired of holding back my opinions. People need to lighten up and start having FUN! Goten6456 rides away on his horse...

magpie · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:12 am Post subject:

well said goten6456..when i come to think of it, i actually said today in game..it is more fun sitting on the sidelines and making comments, than actually playing.

Also i have found playing late at night(oz time) is alot of fun..some new players that i have found to be really cool are mazza, numbers 0234853 <--something like that,tazzygirl<---not from tazzy would you believe to just name a few

Very Happy

Nimrod7 · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:25 am Post subject:

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Marauder · Midnight Luxer Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 447

kitty on catnip · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:47 am Post subject:

I forgot magpie, Yo Daddy and Bennok.

Shockandawe · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:54 am Post subject:

Well that seems right I don't find most of my entertainment in the game though. I find it in the chat of the people i know and like. Sure bad plays can ruin the fun, but to me winning is just a little extra now because i enjoy talking to people.

Scad · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:04 am Post subject:

It's curious, Lux has actually become a more personal game for me as the style of play changes. I think it's because I find more and more than people will not nomad, that they will turtle at the least provocation, and that turtling is effective. I kinda like it; it makes my own anti-turtle, oft-nomad style a little more individual. I'll take down a turtle in third even if it lands me in second, and I don't consider it playing for second, even if someone else in my room does it. If you turtle, it's an explicit invitation to be asshatted, and you do not have the right to complain. That's how I read it. Turtling is, simply put, not playing, so why should you complain if someone else plays? I see the change you describe, Pack, but I see it as a challenge to retain my own style and interest in the changing field.

kitty on catnip · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:06 am Post subject:

maybe that just means you're stubborn, Scad? Laughing

Scad · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:11 am Post subject:

Well, we KNEW that...

n00less cluebie · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:17 am Post subject:

This is why I'd like a host option for some kind of anti-turtling rule:

http://sillysoft.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13475

My favorite idea is to slowly decrease Player X's income and/or total armies if he's been inactive for a set-number of turns. This would force players to take cards.... Of course you'd want to make sure that the set number of turns before this occurs is high enough so that another player has difficulty blocking someone in.

Certainly, turtles are "a part of the game", but I'd love to at least let hosts have the option of making them not as prevalent as they are now....

-nC

kitty on catnip · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:18 am Post subject:

there have been others who have said this before, but I will say it myself...again...

TURTLING IS NOT INHERANTLY WRONG. IT IS SIMPLY A PART OF THE CURRENT RAW CALCULATIONS FLAWS! CHANGE THE SYSTEM, WHICH WILL THEN CHANGE THE CONSEQUENTIAL STRATEGIES USED! TURTLING IS NOT THE PROBLEM! THE WAY RAW IS CALCULATED IS THE PROBLEM! FIX THE PROBLEM, NOT THE NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS OF THE PROBLEM!

pls · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:19 am Post subject:

Dominator · The Man Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 1287

Whats wrong with turtles?? Just play..

Turtles first...turtles last... turtles in-between

just win

*shrugs*

n00less cluebie · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject:

It's not a problem just with RAW, it'd be a problem with ANY system that scores 2nd place as better than 6th place. Unless you make a winner-take-all system Turtling will remain a "problem"/"phenomenom" etc.

So yes, kitty, you are somewhat correct, and if we made a ranking based only on first-place, then turtling wouldn't be an issue, but I don't see why giving an option to eliminate turtling as a strategy is a bad thing...being an OPTION, one could choose to host a turtling or NON-turtling game.

Options are good....

Smile

Wabbit of Doom · Lux Newbie Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 399