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SmotPoker · Last edited by Nimrod7 on Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:02 pm; edited 2 times in total

I think being threatened for playing for 3rd to gain raw on a Stalemated game was uncalled for. But I'm curious as to how everyone else feels about this situation... I'm sure this isn't the first time this has come up in a game and im certain no one has ever been banned for it. So please, no debating here about what happened in my game, I just want to know how everyone feels about the scenario.

SmotPoker · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:07 pm Post subject:

What rule is it against? This goes to the person who checked yes..

Llux Llama · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:07 pm Post subject:

Banning should be a last resort for people purposefully and maliciously ruining other people's game. Banning should also be used after a warning for violent language (not just cursing) and rs and booting hosts obviously and repeatedly during games. And that's it. You can't have people buying this game, maybe playing it badly or playing for rank or just making mistakes and then getting banned.

SmotPoker · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject:

I looked everywhere for a clapping smiley, I'm not good at those.
But I couldn't agree more LLama.

THE J-Dude · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:36 pm Post subject:

-- ": clap :" without spaces or quotes, Smot

Behemoth · Lux Flyweight Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 1219

SmotPoker · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject:

never said it was an honorable move... But if the game isn't moving. even as minimal the raw loss is, if you're in a RAW chase game, you're trying to win RAW not lose RAW.

soundboy · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject:

I still go with play to win the game.
However, when you take towards macro thinking and you're playing to win the week - thus playing the system, I can get behind this reasoning. I don't like Raw... but you're playing to win in the existing system. That's fine in my book. At this point... on a Sunday, you're playing to win the week and the shiny .Gif that comes with it.
I'm on board rotten. And from a personal aspect, you know I'm not agreeing with you because we're long time buddies. Doesn't seem like your move that prompted this was personal. Playing to win the week on a Sunday often calls for some altered strategies.

Big picture raw strategy should never be a bannable offense... whether or not you agree with it.

Big Will E Style · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject:

Rotten, this move is a common occurrence for you. I don't think it's against any rules but I do think players who do this on a regular basis have no place playing the game.

hoodie · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject:

The system rewarded him for this move. It might not be the honorable move, but he readily admits that; he was playing to win based on how the system was built.

Build a different system, you get a different outcome. But this is in no way a ban-able offense, it seems like a semi-regular occurrence and simply a part of the raw chase as it stands. To threaten a ban in this situation is absurd.

n00less cluebie · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject:

Playing for 3rd when the only other choice is 4th fits the warped stricture of RAW. Playing to ensure someone ELSE gets a low place in order to leapfrog them in the RAW chase seems detestable, but the RAW system encourages these tactics and there is no rule that I am aware of that forbids it. Making someone gets a poor position because you are angry at them or you don't like them would seem to be forbidden as "suiciding"

the tide · :D Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 3606 Location: Charlotte, US

Darth Rellek · Sith Lord Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 1334

whats absurd is when people jump to conclusions, without having all the fact, make absurd comments, and just add fuel to the fire.

There was no threat, there was a warning, and the warning was for suiciding.

the tide · :D Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 3606 Location: Charlotte, US

Some folks do have a penchant for attracting absurd comments.

My dad had a penchant for attracting crazy street vagrants. They'd see him through a crowded a street and zero in on him from tens of yards away, bypassing hundreds before him. It was uncanny.

blackj3sus · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject:

lol

Shockandawe · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject:

Big Will E Style · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject:

I think Darth should not have threatened to ban. He should not use his authority to scare non-moderating players. That alone creates an unfair advantage.

But I do agree with his anger. Just because someone plays the system, does not make it ok. Rottenboy's threshold for patience is little to none. If there is a chance of a marathon, the guy immediately goes into RAW mode and ruins others games because he wants +5 instead of -10...

This game does not sound like it was over. I don't care how big of a lead the other guy had, Rottenboy killing Darth is a suicide. He has given up on his game to ruin another person's game. If he did it for 5th place instead of 3rd, does that change anything? I agree the system causes the problem. But the real problem is the people who take a faulty system and hide behind it like Rotten is in this situation. He admitted he doesn't like Darth. He probably enjoyed ruining Darth's game. I know it's happened multiple times to me from Rottenboy.

This is not a question of someone not playing well and getting in trouble for sucking. The guy has 6000 games played and a 20+% FH winning percentage.

Have some accountability.

Nimrod7 · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject:

Let's keep this thread on track folks. The other one was locked for a reason. Let's not make it two in one day please.

Big Will E Style · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:33 pm Post subject:

Who went off track?

Nimrod7 · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:42 pm Post subject:

Let me put it this way, if you can't keep the personal crap out of this, I'm locking it down.

Big Will E Style · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the tip Officer.

The thread is talking about one player's bad play and another's bad reaction to that play. I simply gave my view why I believe Darth has a right to be upset about it. No need to go around locking every thread a pie isn't being thrown around in. The game has disputes. Let people share their opinion. If it gets bad, then lock it.

Allied Atheist · Lux Newbie Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 85

I once killed big will during octoberfest 2009 and gave him third in a three way game where one person was 100% certain to win. I felt it wrong that he hadn't helped try and break the leader and instead chose to turtle. In reality both our moves were a play for second. I was booted from the room by Dustin himself at big wills request, because didn't play to win in an already hopeless game. This is one of the major problems with lux currently. The "rules" are vague, enforcement and moderation for the most part are even worse, and the raw system encourages play that violates these vague unwritten "rules".

Shockandawe · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:01 pm Post subject:

Did you forget that both rotten and darth were turtles will?

They usually die first anyways. In certain situations when second can't win it is expected they "fall on their sword" and take their position to stop from further delaying the next game. It wasn't a griefing move. It is typical.

I see absolutely no problem with making such a move that will move on to the next game. Happens in classic on a regular basis.

Darth Casey · Lux Newbie Joined: 06 Mar 2009 Posts: 14

seems like any threads that question a moderator's behavior get locked..

Shockandawe · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject:

I would also like to point out that you seem to want to bring up the fact that we don't know what happened and you provided us the game chat.

When you and the other mods ban people for nothing more than chat every day.

Darth Rellek · Sith Lord Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 1334

As i already said, people like to chime in when that dont know the entire facts

First, WE WERE NOT TURTLES!
I had SA and Mexico, and was farming with Blade in NA, Blad had Canada and Scan, Rotten had Africa. The other guy had russia, fe, oz.
Blade took euro and other guy moved into mideast blocking rotten from farming. This happened in 1 or 2 rounds.
This was hardly a stalemated or marathoned game. It was round 19 when rotten decided for himself the game was over, and announced he would suicide for 3rd place.
The game was far from over, had there been a different play, but instead, Rotten used all of his men in africa to kill all of my men, then in turn he died next. It was suicide.

You might condule suicide playing, but I do not. Thats why he was giving a warning, not a threat.

Darth Rellek · Sith Lord Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 1334

Darth Rellek · Sith Lord Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 1334

n00less cluebie · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject:

I was not there and so cannot affirm whether a move was suicide or not and so my response was made in general terms, but one thing I think bothers me: it would seem that a Mod would be hard-pressed to remain unbiased in a game situation involving himself; and just as I suggested to Snyperpie when he had a similar situation, it would probably make things go smoother if you let another mod deal with the situation.

What bothers me about darth's comment is the word "me" in his statement "if you ever suicide ME or anyone else..." it gives the appearance, right or wrong that darth might be taking it personally....

Darth Rellek · Sith Lord Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 1334

yes, i was stating that I will not tolerate suicides on me, nor will i tolerare sucides on anyone else either. So that the statement would be seen as not being bias, as to say only Mod cant be suicided on, I want to state it as for all.