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lokiju
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 Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:54 pm Post subject: Where are all the maps? |
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When I purchased Lux Delux, it came with a lot more maps than the 3 with Castle Vox. Add to that the fact that there are not many player-made maps, and I feel cheated at $15. For $20 I got Lux Delux, American and Ancient with probably 50+ maps by default. And for $15 I got 3 maps with Castle Vox??
Edit: Less invasive title. 
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paranoiarodeo
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Please use the Plugin Manager available in the File menu.
There you will find 80 maps and more will be added every month.
(Welcome to Vox. Good luck.)
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lokiju
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Awesome, thanks! I thought those were all player-made maps...so apologies for that.  |
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Nimrod7
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| They are all player made maps. |
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lokiju
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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So I bought a game that relied solely on player-made maps? The devs didn't have the time to put, say, 10 in by default? I know I purchased Lux Delux later than most, but it seemed to come with many pre-installed maps aside from the tons that I downloaded.
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Behemoth
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| lokiju wrote: | | So I bought a game that relied solely on player-made maps? The devs didn't have the time to put, say, 10 in by default? I know I purchased Lux Delux later than most, but it seemed to come with many pre-installed maps aside from the tons that I downloaded. |
The most popular Vox maps are player's creations yes, made by the same people who also contributed significantly to the games development in other ways, most notably mbauer.
I think you'll find the pre-installed Lux maps have a similar history - created from scratch by players and/or developers (aside from Classic which is a Risk variant) |
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paranoiarodeo
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Sooo, your specific complaint is that Vox doesn't come with enough Sillysoft branded, pre-installed maps? Newsflash: The majority of Lux's default maps were made by players too. Does it bother you that Lux's pre-installed maps were made by third parties? Or are you upset 'cause Vox requires you to download maps after app installation? I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't understand what specifically upsets you. Personally, I prefer that the initial Vox download is small (18mb), in part 'cause it's not weighed down by too many maps that I might, or might not, want to play. But, perhaps, a few more pre-installed maps would make new players like you happier? I dunno.
∞ paranoiarodeo shrugs ∞ |
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Mike
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Next thing you are going to tell us is that the AI's are also developed by 3rd parties......
To quote a famous guy from some where - Player made maps/AI's is a 'Feature, not a bug' |
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Lupus ferox
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| Hey guys. Don't harass our new players please. It takes some time to appreciate the pros (and cons) of the Lux community... Come to think of it: it is a bit funny. But hey, it works.... |
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lokiju
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Yes, believe it or not, I expect a game like this to come with more than two maps and multiple AI's created by the developers. You know, the people charging for the game? While $15 is a pretty average price for an indie title, from my experience Castle Vox offers a hell of a lot less than most $5-10 games. we're basically paying for player-made modded content...
Like I said, I purchased Lux Delux recently, so my view was skewed by all the player-made content I didn't realize wasn't done by the developers.
Oh well, I love the game either way. Just a bit miffed at the lack of developer maps at purchase. |
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Nimrod7
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| Most of the maps have been created by experienced map makers of Lux Delux. Just because they are not on the sillysoft payroll, does not mean that their creations are bad. Not to mention that the Lux Delux community helped develop the Castle Vox game with advice after play testing it when it was getting close to its release date. So I would suggest giving the "player created maps" a chance before putting them down. |
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mbauer
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Actually all the maps featured in both AEL and AHL were technically created by a user...me. I am also technically a Sillysoft employee.
http://sillysoft.net/about/
So if it makes you feel better, you can look at all the Castle Vox maps created by myself (Mark Bauer) as "officially by the developers." So there are actually 34 developer created maps of the 80 available...almost half. 
Welcome to Castle Vox, have fun and keep up the critique. We love to hear feedback and are always trying to improve!
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lokiju
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Nimrod7 wrote: | | Most of the maps have been created by experienced map makers of Lux Delux. Just because they are not on the sillysoft payroll, does not mean that their creations are bad. Not to mention that the Lux Delux community helped develop the Castle Vox game with advice after play testing it when it was getting close to its release date. So I would suggest giving the "player created maps" a chance before putting them down. |
I think I understand why some people above got defensive. It seems the fault lies with my miscommunication. I enjoy the player maps, and in no way was putting them down. I simply played Lux Delux first, and had quite a few maps to play without having to install any extras. I then played Castle and was taken back by the choice of only 2-3 maps. It just seemed...less complete. Maybe you guys can throw 10 maps (top rated?) in with the game?
I'd think most people buying the game would like to have more official content to show for money without having to look for player mods, as good as they may be (and even numerous).
| mbauer wrote: | | Actually all the maps featured in both AEL and AHL were technically created by a user...me. I am also technically a Sillysoft employee. |
Heh, fair enough. |
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Behemoth
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| lokiju wrote: | | Nimrod7 wrote: | | Most of the maps have been created by experienced map makers of Lux Delux. Just because they are not on the sillysoft payroll, does not mean that their creations are bad. Not to mention that the Lux Delux community helped develop the Castle Vox game with advice after play testing it when it was getting close to its release date. So I would suggest giving the "player created maps" a chance before putting them down. |
I think I understand why some people above got defensive. It seems the fault lies with my miscommunication. I enjoy the player maps, and in no way was putting them down. I simply played Lux Delux first, and had quite a few maps to play without having to install any extras. I then played Castle and was taken back by the choice of only 2-3 maps. It just seemed...less complete. Maybe you guys can throw 10 maps (top rated?) in with the game?
I'd think most people buying the game would like to have more official content to show for money without having to look for player mods, as good as they may be (and even numerous).
| mbauer wrote: | | Actually all the maps featured in both AEL and AHL were technically created by a user...me. I am also technically a Sillysoft employee. |
Heh, fair enough. |
Not sure how you arrived at the notion player-made maps are inferior to 'official' ones.
As Mark pointed out he is a sillysoft employee and a user - one of the most committed contributors to both Lux and Vox. Also, a number of the Vox maps I've made were commissioned by Sillysoft which would make them about as 'official' as it gets.
Officialdom aside, there's no question Vox has a varied selection of maps available to download. Simple matter of hitting the 'more maps' tab once you've paid up and installed Vox.
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lokiju
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure how you came to assume player-made maps would be inferior to 'official' ones. To be honest I'm also not sure what 'official' means exactly in this context.
As Mark pointed out, he's a sillysoft employee and a user- one of the most committed I think it's safe to say. For the record many of the Vox maps I've made were commissioned by Sillysoft, making them about as 'official' as it gets.
Finally though, there's no question a decent selection of maps is available to choose from. Better yet many of these maps are made by seasoned users who weren't motivated by money so much as the pleasure of developing a game they enjoyed and respected. |
I really feel like you're not understanding me...I don't care about the quality of player-made maps. They are some of my faves. My point was that when I loaded up Castle Vox for the first time, I had a choice of 3 maps (before downloads were considered). I expected more out of the box having come from Lux Delux which had a lot more. My initial impression was not stellar.
Yes, I realize DLing new maps is very easy...but when someone loads up the game for the first time, presentation can mean a lot. It doesn't matter who made the maps (though I'd obviously expect the devs/staff to have made some for intial release in the game), staff, fans, kindergarten students...it would be nice to have at least 10 pre-loaded in the release version.
Look, we've already discussed it, and I'm apparently alone in my feelings, so let's move on.
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Osiris
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hi lokiju,
I have been reading your comments plus what other players have been saying; and I feel I have to say my 2 cents worth.
I am quite astonished that you would complain about a game price of $15.00 when Castle Vox and Lux Delux is worth 3 times that at least.
Buying these games is really cheap, and I am very happy with them as a whole, I can play with other players, develop maps for other players to play, and download maps to play myself from the Sillysoft website; and on top of that if there are any problems, you can use the Forum, as you have done to ask questions and generally get help and advise if needed.
You get all this and probably more for the price of buying these games-and there is no extra charge to you.
And yet you cripe about the games worth of not getting what you paided for.
In today's world where buying things is getting more expensive, I believe spending $15.00 ($30.00 for both games) is value for money. |
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Nimrod7
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I think his point, Osiris, is that it would be better to have a larger pool of maps to start with when you buy the game. Yes, you have access to all of them, but it would be nicer for a new buyer to have ten or fifteen maps to choose from instead of three. |
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lokiju
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Nimrod7 wrote: | | I think his point, Osiris, is that it would be better to have a larger pool of maps to start with when you buy the game. Yes, you have access to all of them, but it would be nicer for a new buyer to have ten or fifteen maps to choose from instead of three. |
Thank you! That's all I'm saying.
| Osiris wrote: | Hi lokiju,I am quite astonished that you would complain about a game price of $15.00 when Castle Vox and Lux Delux is worth 3 times that at least.
And yet you cripe about the games worth of not getting what you paided for.
In today's world where buying things is getting more expensive, I believe spending $15.00 ($30.00 for both games) is value for money. |
You must be new to indie games. I'm someone who purchased Terraria, Minecraft, Dwarf Fortress, Torchlight, Blood Bowl, Dungeons of Dredmor, and many others that offer a lot of content for $5-$20. Like I said, Sillysoft games are average priced, which is fine. Lux Delux has been worth every penny. I'm "criping" about buying a $15 wargame with 3 maps included.  |
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Osiris
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| But when you buy the game; you have access to the maps on the website anyway, so having 3 games to start with is really irrelevant, when you have over 80 castle Vox & over 800 Lux Deluxe games to choose from and play. |
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Nimrod7
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| We've already been through this Osiris. We're just going over the same territory. |
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