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kude
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| *sigh* schrob, you just had to say it... the awesomeness is now gone... |
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AquaRegia
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:26 am Post subject: |
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This reminds me (in case I forgot, which I didn't) why I quit the Mod Squad. It's a thankless job that inevitably results in ill-will, regardless of what you do or don't do.
PJB's image and Baden's clock, however, are EPIC.
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The Silken Knot
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Lupus ferox wrote: | The dilemma now is: can moderators lock a thread or remove a message in which their practice of thread locking and message removing is questioned....
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This thread presents no dilemma for me personally, LF. I'd keep it open and as is, even if I disagree with a couple of negative posts it contains. My fellow moderators may disagree with me; that's sometimes the nature of the beast. Naraku's post does sail a bit close to the wind on Forum Rules 1 & 3, but moderators are sort of extra-personal in my eyes. I tend not to view criticism of actions they've (we've) taken together or individually as "personal attacks". And a single post does not "constant negativity" make. Besides he said those nice things about us being hippies. (What?!? I grew up in San Francisco- I can't help thinking that's a good thing!) I will prefer open expression in almost all cases; I like it even better when its tone can remain civil.
Besides, this thread in toto is pretty high up on the Scale of Awesome! If it had been closed earlier, we would have missed some good chuckles...and that fantastic CLOCK, which I want the way a dedicated chaser wants his Sunday RAW... |
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Lupus ferox
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*Manimal
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I don't know why you think that your sarcasm and damning with faint praise makes your arguments sound legit. If you actually came out and said what you were thinking clearly maybe someone would take you more seriously.
Instead you present yourself as someone who wants to sit back and stir drama, and since you don't think you can successfully present the mod squad as a group of bad people, you just make petty complaints and write up nasty, sarcastic responses.
Seriously, if you really cared that much and wanted others to see things how you did, you'd write up clear, concerned responses with no negative tone. There's a way to present opinions without slander, and frankly, I think everyone has been more happy to see the derailing responses on this thread than yours. |
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Baden
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| AquaRegia wrote: | ...
PJB's image and Baden's clock, however, are EPIC.
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The clock is a work of artist Stefan Strumbel a good friend of my wife and me since years. He grew up in my hometown in the black-forest and my wife (who is artist as well) saw his talent and promoted him with a first solo exhibition while he still was only a young local hero of street art.
Para was so kind to rewrite perfectly by my request the english introduction of Strumbels first catalogue edited in the US some years ago when he had an exhibition in Vail, Colorado. The Lux-community (and especially our mod Para) is sometimes very helpful.
Meanwhile Strumbel is one of the shooting stars of the art-scene with world-wide reputation. The NYT devoted him a home story 2 years ago (14 pages in the print version):
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/realestate/04location.html
Btw. I live in the neigborhood of the baroque church spire you may see on one of the fotos in the background. |
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Baden
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Naraku wrote: | | ... where are the other bans I was promised by past & present moderators for other players, such as paranoiarodeo, baden, & other "problem players" ... |
Concerning me I just ignore this but present moderators are considering to ban a colleague? You suffer from loss of reality. |
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Nimrod7
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| Baden wrote: | | You suffer from loss of reality. |
Zing! |
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mazza
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If someone has a problem with another player, and i get a PM about it, the 1st thing i try to do is pm the peeps in question, and let them know honestly what is goin on...... i call this trying to find some common ground as to what the issue is, and then we can all try to get to the bottom of the matter before it turns into a slanging match, before i ban someone wrongly, before a mess is created.
I am not sure why certain players, if they have a problem with certin mods, or decisions that are being made, do NOT PM us personally to air any problems/grievances before they must go public with generalised comments, and threads which quickly derail into something more sisister...... the only person who has ever pm'd me worried about my actions/chat/ comments has been Jesterme, and i commend him for doing this, as sometimes, all it takes is a private message to make someone look at themselves, and the things that they may have done wrong.......sometimes a pm comes around just at the right time, when one had cooled themselves off after initially being mighty angry in the actual playing room.......
All is know of LF is that he makes maps, pretty good ones, have not seen him in rooms very often, do not know where or if he plays his online games, but i sure have never received anything in the way of PM's or chat, asking me about why/how i make my decisions from a mods view, nothing on why he thinks certain colleagues of mine have done things wrong, or anything like that. Only a thread, which i do not have a problem with him airing, however, one i believe if he had tried to gain some information privately 1st, would not have turned so "pear-shaped".......
It reminds me of a public stoning match, some of these threads.....some peeps want to air publicly what it is that is discouraging them/ what is upsetting them, and before you know it, 75% of the general public are throwing stones.....why they are throwing them, they do not know, but as long as there is goin to be a murder today in the town square, well, then it is time to start throwing..... |
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magpie
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kude
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(what, that gonna be the next mafia theme or something mazza? Was there supposed to be a spoiler alert in front?)
What if this sort of thing is necessary? Is it hypothetically possible that something like this on the forums could help keep a little more of the asshatting and targeting out of the game itself? It (in general) shows everyone a more defined set of rules, with much more detail, and more of a clarification on stuff? I'm sure that at least once, somewhere, someone read of of these threads, and realized that something they've been doing all along is wrong.(hasn't happened to me yet, but someday, I'm sure it'll happen) Posts like the baden picture help relieve some of the possible tensions between luxxers. It's not perfect, but maybe these threads actually help, in some ways. And of course, if someone doesn't like all the bickering, they can always just fly right past the thread. But, this is all hypothetical. So it can't possibly be true... |
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n00less cluebie
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Location: At the Official Clown Reference Librarian Desk--'All the answers you weren't looking for.'
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Naraku wrote: | | where are the other bans I was promised by past & present modertors for other players, such as para and Baden |
They did their time and one would hope learned from their past mistakes (while Baden may not have learned to improve his strategy much he at least he takes jokes at his expense with considerable aplomb)
May you learn from your mistakes as many have done before you; some you might be surprised to find they too were banned and got over it. Controlling your temper will stand you in good stead.... |
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jesterme
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| n00less cluebie wrote: | | Naraku wrote: | | where are the other bans I was promised by past & present modertors for other players, such as para and Baden |
They did their time and one would hope learned from their past mistakes (while Baden may not have learned to improve his strategy much he at least he takes jokes at his expense with considerable aplomb)
May you learn from your mistakes as many have done before you; some you might be surprised to find they too were banned and got over it. Controlling your temper will stand you in good stead.... |
Damn, first post on first page, too. Does para ever not get first? sheesh.... |
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Baden
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| kude wrote: | | ... Posts like the baden picture help relieve some of the possible tensions between luxxers ... |
Like in real life you have friends (even admirers) and enemies. Like in real life there is a wide range between silent sufferers and agressive loudmouths. Sometimes we watch how friendships in Lux perish in an instant. But the opposite happens as well: animosities give way to respect.
As an elder player who saw crazy players as well as kind players coming and going I have a déjà vu if I read this thread.
Mods are (as we all) not witout fail. Sometimes they are miscasted even. But this thread proves that the actual mods handle the case with patience. The thread might have been locked early. But that did not happen. I think that is a good opportunity to ease tensions.
Like in real life you may ease tensions by derailing from the subject of dispute. "PJB" who seems to dislike me lately did that in a funny and intelligent way at my cost. Like in real life you should be able to ease tensions with humor.
The mods can't for sure educate uneducable persons. Their task is creating a positive environment. Part of this is sometimes a warning or ban concerning "negative" behavior.
Sadly some people behave after a warning or ban like drunkards who cause trouble in front of the door after a order to stay away from a house for a while. |
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kude
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Baden wrote: | | Their task is creating a positive environment. |
Some God-like narrator:"And with that, Kude begins his lonely task of getting a clown as a moderator. Because God knows, They'll need some extra humor around there...
I think the real point here is that some people take the game way to seriously. I'm sure we've all been in a bio (and even classic) room, when people start the swear fest, and the insults, all because someone killed them. Most of us have probably done so too. Maybe in some way, that's what mazza was talking about. We all get angry, and we even make mistakes. But do try to leave them in the game. Don't make a fuss, don't drag the forums into it. Personally, the only thing that really sets me off is when someone kills me, and because they kill me, they lose the game. But again, we just have to keep in mind that at some point or another, we've made that mistake. As baden said, the mods have patience. Maybe it's time some of us luxxers (not all, mind you) get that same patience. Even if only for a little while.
Well, I suppose I've seen both sides now... I'm off for now... |
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n00less cluebie
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| kude wrote: | | Baden wrote: | | Their task is creating a positive environment. |
Some God-like narrator:"And with that, Kude begins his lonely task of getting a clown as a moderator. Because God knows, They'll need some extra humor around there...
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Indeed! If only there WAS. A clown moderator
 
I'm not sure if this is a dig at your clowning OR your moderating Nimmy--possibly both.
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Baden
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| jesterme wrote: | | n00less cluebie wrote: | | Naraku wrote: | | where are the other bans I was promised by past & present modertors for other players, such as para and Baden |
They did their time and one would hope learned from their past mistakes (while Baden may not have learned to improve his strategy much he at least he takes jokes at his expense with considerable aplomb)
May you learn from your mistakes as many have done before you; some you might be surprised to find they too were banned and got over it. Controlling your temper will stand you in good stead.... |
Damn, first post on first page, too. Does para ever not get first? sheesh.... |
Former meanwhile well respected German foreign minister Joschka Fischer threw stones as left wing terrorist at policemen before he became meek and mild. (He later supported as minister to throw bombs on Serbia however). I met him personally in my office when he started his political career as minister in a federal state more than twenty years ago. I served him coffee and we had some small talk for an hour. He probably thought: What an arrogant asshole and vice versa.
We had different agenda. He later did orate in the UN plenum while Para and me got banned in the Lux forums  |
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Baden
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| kude wrote: | | ... I think the real point here is that some people take the game way to seriously. I'm sure we've all been in a bio (and even classic) room, when people start the swear fest, and the insults, all because someone killed them. ... |
Very true. Out of sudden you get insulted as "Nazi", "Schweinhund" etc.
I try to ignore that got much more patient and use the "mute" command more frequently.
I am certainly not a saint but since I started in 2004 I never insulted someone personally in the chat on same level in almost 20.000 games (bring forward proofs if you doubt that).
Just in the past days it happened twice again in fh-games. I made a bold move and earned bitter (even insulting comments). But I won both later.
Whom may I insult if I start as last with 13 armies or so in a classic and need five cards for first cash I don't witness of course? Dustin?
It is a game taken to seriously indeed... |
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Schroberts
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| mazza wrote: | | It reminds me of a public stoning match, some of these threads.....some peeps want to air publicly what it is that is discouraging them/ what is upsetting them, and before you know it, 75% of the general public are throwing stones.....why they are throwing them, they do not know, but as long as there is goin to be a murder today in the town square, well, then it is time to start throwing..... |
... And then they were upon her. |
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Drifter
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| Naraku wrote: | | 6th - Drifter - If you edited my posts why bother to post anything @ all? I mean if i were you i'd be really careful with what you erase. |
Normally I'd just let this go because I have been thru it so many times with you... but considering this is a thread started about moderator actions, I feel it might be good measure for me to explain this into a little more detail...
Naraku, a few years ago when you first started in the forums you had your feelings hurt by what some people said about you here, and you came to me for help. I contacted those people via PM and asked if they would edit it out themselves, and they did just that. A lil down the road when you posted something attacking someone else and I asked you to edit it yourself... not only did you refused to work with me, but ya threw a fit and insulted me by PM after I did it myself. Then to top it off you reposted what I edited out. I shoulda called you on it, yet I didn't due to what you had been thru previously... looking back I admit that is my mistake.
But this go around I believe you are referring to a post you made just the other day when you degraded a certain player who you were not getting along with. I only deleted the reference to that name so as to avoid anymore of a flame war than we already had going on, and left the rest untouched. I believe this is exactly one of the duties of a forum moderator. And having learned from my past experiences it was not even worth asking you to do it yourself.
I guess I am tired of saving the princess from the tower only to watch them fall in the well five minutes later...
Bottom line, you cannot wake those who are pretending to be asleep.
| Naraku wrote: | | I realize that 95% of lux or greater no longer has any sense of humor but to think that you'd take what I say sarcastically or in jest to others as serious is absurd. I guess america's schools get an F for not explaining the differnce between figurative & literal |
Until someone designs a sarcasm font, you just gotta take that risk that someone does not have the same sense of humor you do, and it might just be taken the wrong way when you fail to transfer that humor into mere copy. Such is not the readers fault, but more the authors dilemma. So please stop taking the path of the victim.
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This entire thread has been missing one major element, the one that was told to me when I first took the position... that the mods have their own voice in the forum first, and to be a moderator second. After I signed on things changed one day, suddenly we gained tools that helped us to deal with the unruly individuals in that game y'all keep playing. But I believe the same holds true... a mod is a Luxer in games first, and a moderator second.
I really hate doing what needs to be done as a mod. I just wanna unwind and escape when I slip into my lil corner of Luxtopia, and hope all of my brothers 'n sisters are getting along... but if you push me into it... I'll do what I think needs to be done to help all my Sillysoft siblings get along again. I honestly think that is what the rest of the mod squad believes as well.
With that said, if anyone has a problem with any of the squad please feel free to PM me personally. Because I am the guy who nominated most of the current crew, and the one or two I did not personally suggest, I seconded and supported the nomination. Just think of me as The Head of the Complaint Department for Moderator Affairs, and my PM addy as the Inbox... |
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magpie
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dam you drifter, i love your posts and all. But after reading your post i thought that was another great post, then realized i didn't touch my bourbon for at least three minutes while reading your post!!!
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