Strategy: When do you pop a continent?
Strategy: When do you pop a continent?
Under what conditions do you pop a continent?
rarely, as I usually focus on my own game and income and cards...
But..
1. If someone suddenly has taken an additional cont (during a kill) and only has "Christmas Lights" = 1s, 2s etc as defense.. (esp asia, eu, na) ..if defense on a border is less than the income from that cont for the following rnd...
2. Anytime eu is being defended by said "Christmas Lights".
3. If you pop mine (forgot that, ty snype)
4. if you even look sideways at Japan...
Shrug.. Usually too focused on building my own armies to worry about someone else's weak borders... If I actually have time/armies to spare on this (and Japan), I've already won... or "playing with my food"..
jwd
But..
1. If someone suddenly has taken an additional cont (during a kill) and only has "Christmas Lights" = 1s, 2s etc as defense.. (esp asia, eu, na) ..if defense on a border is less than the income from that cont for the following rnd...
2. Anytime eu is being defended by said "Christmas Lights".
3. If you pop mine (forgot that, ty snype)
4. if you even look sideways at Japan...
Shrug.. Usually too focused on building my own armies to worry about someone else's weak borders... If I actually have time/armies to spare on this (and Japan), I've already won... or "playing with my food"..
jwd
Last edited by jwd on Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:11 pm, edited 2 times in total.
3DA makes a note to never play next to Minor King.
Sun, I think that's far too broad a question to answer succinctly. I think the answer depends on what map you're playing, what the settings are, and what state both you and your opponent(s) are in. Does the person have 5 cards and are they going to come roaring back and crush you? Is there another huge opponent on the board? Does the other player have income somewhere else on the board? Do you? There are plenty of factors that I think you'd need to specify before that question gets answered.
That's my take on it, anyway. Thanks for the chance to talk about it.
Sun, I think that's far too broad a question to answer succinctly. I think the answer depends on what map you're playing, what the settings are, and what state both you and your opponent(s) are in. Does the person have 5 cards and are they going to come roaring back and crush you? Is there another huge opponent on the board? Does the other player have income somewhere else on the board? Do you? There are plenty of factors that I think you'd need to specify before that question gets answered.
That's my take on it, anyway. Thanks for the chance to talk about it.
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1. I will pop your continent to take over your continent.
2. I will pop your continent if I dont have a continent.
3. I will pop your continent if you pop mine.
4. I will pop your continent to get through to kill someone on the otherside.
5. I will pop your continent if you are weak.
6. I will pop your continent if its not protected.
7. I will pop your continent to get a card if needed.
8. I will pop your continent if you have multiple continents
9. I will pop your continent if it means my survival
10. I will pop your continent because I can do that.
1. I will pop your continent to take over your continent.
2. I will pop your continent if I dont have a continent.
3. I will pop your continent if you pop mine.
4. I will pop your continent to get through to kill someone on the otherside.
5. I will pop your continent if you are weak.
6. I will pop your continent if its not protected.
7. I will pop your continent to get a card if needed.
8. I will pop your continent if you have multiple continents
9. I will pop your continent if it means my survival
10. I will pop your continent because I can do that.
That was part of the question. Under what conditions...3DA wrote:Sun, I think that's far too broad a question to answer succinctly. I think the answer depends on what map you're playing, what the settings are, and what state both you and your opponent(s) are in. Does the person have 5 cards and are they going to come roaring back and crush you? Is there another huge opponent on the board? Does the other player have income somewhere else on the board? Do you? There are plenty of factors that I think you'd need to specify before that question gets answered.
For example: you would pop a continent if it was a 4,6,8,10,15 classic game, the continent was defended by less than 2 times it's bonus, the player had less than 3 cards, and the player wasn't GK because you can't stand his yelling.
SunTzu wrote:For example: you would pop a continent if it was a 4,6,8,10,15 classic game, the continent was defended by less than 2 times it's bonus, the player had less than 3 cards, and the player wasn't GK because you can't stand his yelling.
GK is not yelling anymore...
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As 3DA stated, all such moves are subject to the game at hand... that being said, i will give my own personal imput on when and when i do not pop conts. in classic
Beginning game.
Pretty much the only conts. I would ever pop before first cash would be Euro, NA, or Africa (except of coarse as jwd said they have two conts. at once).
-----I would generally only pop these conts before first cash if:
1.) they have sissy borders (0=always, 1, or *MAYBE* 2 depending)
2.) they have enough remaining armies that your hit won't leave them crippled and an easy meal for for the next person to cash (21-22-23 and up)
3.) I can afford to do so and not weaken myself significantly... and if my OWN borders are strong enough to take a hit the next turn with a decent chance of holding up.
4.) it's convenient to do so (i already have men sitting on their weak border and don't have to go half way across the border just to smite them)
------I will almost always pop a cont in the early game IF:
1.) they have christmas lights because they were greedy and took their cont too soon with out farming any of their other men around the surrounding board (not just my cont.)
2.) they ate several of *my* men (2-3) to take a cont too soon, leaving themselves with sissy borders and me with out a chance to use those spare armies to take a card.
3.) they are continually building in a cont that i am trying to take with out any signs of movement leaving me with the suspicion that they are keeping me weak for long enough that they can kill me at first opportunity.
4.) they are being extremely abusive and bullying in game chat
5.) if they hit me (unless i've done any of the above)
End game
I will pop conts. to:
-in a 3 player stand off, sometimes I will try to bait a more wreckless player to make a kill by putting one player JUUUUSSSTTT with in reach of a possible kill with a strong likely of failing. You have to be careful though especially with large numbers where the attackers bonus goes a lot farther. Usually knocking the victims armies dow to maybe 5 under the the person who you're trying to bait leaving them with 4 SHINY cards and a good chance for the other player to benefit, should do it. ***WARNING*** if this fails you're likely to be called a major asshat and chewed out from now until infinitum. Also you're likely to get hit once the 4 card player cashs.
-I will also pop a cont of a much larger opponent with a very large army, in order to hide from them (having one really large army hidden in a narrow spot where your opponent can only attack you with ONE of it's surrounding smaller armies, could buy you some time until you can cash.
-If I think that the extra bonus would allow that player to kill me.
That's all for now, sorrry if there's a lack of clarity, but i'm now in a a slight rush.
Beginning game.
Pretty much the only conts. I would ever pop before first cash would be Euro, NA, or Africa (except of coarse as jwd said they have two conts. at once).
-----I would generally only pop these conts before first cash if:
1.) they have sissy borders (0=always, 1, or *MAYBE* 2 depending)
2.) they have enough remaining armies that your hit won't leave them crippled and an easy meal for for the next person to cash (21-22-23 and up)
3.) I can afford to do so and not weaken myself significantly... and if my OWN borders are strong enough to take a hit the next turn with a decent chance of holding up.
4.) it's convenient to do so (i already have men sitting on their weak border and don't have to go half way across the border just to smite them)
------I will almost always pop a cont in the early game IF:
1.) they have christmas lights because they were greedy and took their cont too soon with out farming any of their other men around the surrounding board (not just my cont.)
2.) they ate several of *my* men (2-3) to take a cont too soon, leaving themselves with sissy borders and me with out a chance to use those spare armies to take a card.
3.) they are continually building in a cont that i am trying to take with out any signs of movement leaving me with the suspicion that they are keeping me weak for long enough that they can kill me at first opportunity.
4.) they are being extremely abusive and bullying in game chat
5.) if they hit me (unless i've done any of the above)
End game
I will pop conts. to:
-in a 3 player stand off, sometimes I will try to bait a more wreckless player to make a kill by putting one player JUUUUSSSTTT with in reach of a possible kill with a strong likely of failing. You have to be careful though especially with large numbers where the attackers bonus goes a lot farther. Usually knocking the victims armies dow to maybe 5 under the the person who you're trying to bait leaving them with 4 SHINY cards and a good chance for the other player to benefit, should do it. ***WARNING*** if this fails you're likely to be called a major asshat and chewed out from now until infinitum. Also you're likely to get hit once the 4 card player cashs.
-I will also pop a cont of a much larger opponent with a very large army, in order to hide from them (having one really large army hidden in a narrow spot where your opponent can only attack you with ONE of it's surrounding smaller armies, could buy you some time until you can cash.
-If I think that the extra bonus would allow that player to kill me.
That's all for now, sorrry if there's a lack of clarity, but i'm now in a a slight rush.
It's not so muc case of "when would you pop a continent", much more "when wouldn't you"
I will always pop if/when the defence is lesser than the bonus, so long as my border will remain defended by a force bigger than my opponent can muster.
I will pop a continent with a larger defence than bonus, if the likely balance of power will shift in my favour by doing so.
I will pop a continent if doing so strategically improves my chances of holding my own continent. I would much rather defend Europe from Greenland etc etc.
I do not understand the point of assisting ones opponents to grow their forces, when you will ultimately have to defeat the large force, the only reason to respect borders being to protect one's own frailty.
I will always pop if/when the defence is lesser than the bonus, so long as my border will remain defended by a force bigger than my opponent can muster.
I will pop a continent with a larger defence than bonus, if the likely balance of power will shift in my favour by doing so.
I will pop a continent if doing so strategically improves my chances of holding my own continent. I would much rather defend Europe from Greenland etc etc.
I do not understand the point of assisting ones opponents to grow their forces, when you will ultimately have to defeat the large force, the only reason to respect borders being to protect one's own frailty.
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so much depends
1. Have I slept?
2. Am I drunk/high?
3. Who's shit talking in the chat?
4. If it's you, do I think you're clever?
5. Have you asshatted me or other players for no reason several games in a row?
6. How soon do I have to go to work?
7. Are you drunk/high?
8. What time is it, anyway?
2. Am I drunk/high?
3. Who's shit talking in the chat?
4. If it's you, do I think you're clever?
5. Have you asshatted me or other players for no reason several games in a row?
6. How soon do I have to go to work?
7. Are you drunk/high?
8. What time is it, anyway?
There are some great answers here, thanks!
I do have a couple of follow-up questions though...
I do have a couple of follow-up questions though...
How do you know when someone is weak enough to pop one of their continents?SnyperEye wrote:I will pop your continent if you are weak
How do you know if it will shift the balance of power in your favor?Smedz wrote:I will pop a continent with a larger defence than bonus, if the likely balance of power will shift in my favour by doing so.
SunTzu, I am mainly a Deux player so this does not apply when I play Classic.
I will pop a border when the person I am attacking cannot pop mine back; this begins the process of killing them (for cards and income; it also just takes one more person out of the game, a strategy that does NOT work in Classic). I will not pop the border of two opponents in one turn unless I plan on killing both of them in that turn.
Some people get really angry because it's so aggressive, but it is typically a guideline I apply against all people I play.
However, it is very important to know your opponents. There are many people who I KNOW would pop me if I popped somebody. In that case, I would not pop the person's borders because my borders would be popped in return, though maybe not by the person I attacked.
I NEVER pop a border just to "get things moving."
If it looks like a marathon is beginning, and I am the strongest player, I will pop the weakest player to begin to kill him, sometimes just full out kill him, but I will NOT take his income once he's dead. I just marathon if the armies and income are basically equal.
Also, you know it will shift the balance of power in your favor if you gain armies off the person's cards or if you can gain income without the risk of being popped back. The income is not worth it if you will become so weak you are killed within the next few turns; however, if you will survive for a while, the extra income will build up, and you will make up for lost armies in the kill that you didn't regain for cards.
Though, I guess that sort of describes when to kill a person.
shrug
I will pop a border when the person I am attacking cannot pop mine back; this begins the process of killing them (for cards and income; it also just takes one more person out of the game, a strategy that does NOT work in Classic). I will not pop the border of two opponents in one turn unless I plan on killing both of them in that turn.
Some people get really angry because it's so aggressive, but it is typically a guideline I apply against all people I play.
However, it is very important to know your opponents. There are many people who I KNOW would pop me if I popped somebody. In that case, I would not pop the person's borders because my borders would be popped in return, though maybe not by the person I attacked.
I NEVER pop a border just to "get things moving."
If it looks like a marathon is beginning, and I am the strongest player, I will pop the weakest player to begin to kill him, sometimes just full out kill him, but I will NOT take his income once he's dead. I just marathon if the armies and income are basically equal.
Also, you know it will shift the balance of power in your favor if you gain armies off the person's cards or if you can gain income without the risk of being popped back. The income is not worth it if you will become so weak you are killed within the next few turns; however, if you will survive for a while, the extra income will build up, and you will make up for lost armies in the kill that you didn't regain for cards.
Though, I guess that sort of describes when to kill a person.
shrug
Lets say the opposing player is holding NA and has just cashed, I know if I pop him, I'll be able to hold my own continent and he wont be able to regain his, thus he will in all likelihood miss 2 or 3 continent bonuses, if the difference is in or around this level, I will make the move. Furthermore, if % increases are involved (especially in marathons) popping a continent just after cash can have disastrous implications for the recipient. Just ask Zod he has experienced my Hammer more than most!SunTzu wrote:There are some great answers here, thanks!
How do you know if it will shift the balance of power in your favor?Smedz wrote:I will pop a continent with a larger defence than bonus, if the likely balance of power will shift in my favour by doing so.
Re: Strategy: When do you pop a continent?
I like to have the lights low and good music playing in the background - sometimes after a good meal.SunTzu wrote:Under what conditions do you pop a continent?
I recall the first time.... as if it were yesterday... it was something I had been looking forward to for a while.
I was nervous at first - not being experienced, I was not 100% sure of the etiquette - as I suspect you are feeling now Sun - having to ask this question - or is it 'for a friend'? - doesnt matter... where was I? Oh yeah....
...so it was something I had been looking forward to, I knew that many of the other players were doing it - although like me, others were still waiting for that perfect time...
Truth is - I don't know if there is a perfect time. You see Sun, the first time is the scariest... who knows what the ramifications are??? Does that really matter - after all there is 'Risk' involved - but don't let that stuff get in your head...
Just find one and do it. You will find out like I did - that it becomes easier after that - to pretty soon you could be like our friend Smedz here - self proclaimed habitual 'popper' - but things worked out for him - he found true love through Lux - not a bad side effect of online gaming if you ask me.
Sure you could wait for that special 'Asian' opportunity to come a along - no one would blame you then - it is tempting - one could argue that it is begging to be 'popped' - .... but an opportunity like that could take a lifetime to find - I mean, it doesn't happen every day.
My advice is this: the next time the music is right - your confidence is up, and you feel like a little 'poppin - down under' - then just do what feels good - afterall, it's natural - this is the game of world domination.
Re: Strategy: When do you pop a continent?
Mike wrote:I like to have the lights low and good music playing in the background - sometimes after a good meal.SunTzu wrote:Under what conditions do you pop a continent?
I recall the first time.... as if it were yesterday... it was something I had been looking forward to for a while.
I was nervous at first - not being experienced, I was not 100% sure of the etiquette - as I suspect you are feeling now Sun - having to ask this question - or is it 'for a friend'? - doesnt matter... where was I? Oh yeah....
...so it was something I had been looking forward to, I knew that many of the other players were doing it - although like me, others were still waiting for that perfect time...
Truth is - I don't know if there is a perfect time. You see Sun, the first time is the scariest... who knows what the ramifications are??? Does that really matter - after all there is 'Risk' involved - but don't let that stuff get in your head...
Just find one and do it. You will find out like I did - that it becomes easier after that - to pretty soon you could be like our friend Smedz here - self proclaimed habitual 'popper' - but things worked out for him - he found true love through Lux - not a bad side effect of online gaming if you ask me.
Sure you could wait for that special 'Asian' opportunity to come a along - no one would blame you then - it is tempting - one could argue that it is begging to be 'popped' - .... but an opportunity like that could take a lifetime to find - I mean, it doesn't happen every day.
My advice is this: the next time the music is right - your confidence is up, and you feel like a little 'poppin - down under' - then just do what feels good - afterall, it's natural - this is the game of world domination.
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I'd like to warn you, Sun, that even though you start out popping a continent or two, WHICH IS FINE, it is known to lead to harder things.
After a while, popping continents just doesn't satisfy anymore, and then users are known to start TAKING WHOLE continents. From there, many have gone down the dark road of even taking whole PLAYERS out, merely for their cards!
I just give you a heads up, because I knew a guy once that got SO hooked, he felt like he had to take over the entire WORLD, every game!
If you ever get to that point, man, there's no coming back.
After a while, popping continents just doesn't satisfy anymore, and then users are known to start TAKING WHOLE continents. From there, many have gone down the dark road of even taking whole PLAYERS out, merely for their cards!
I just give you a heads up, because I knew a guy once that got SO hooked, he felt like he had to take over the entire WORLD, every game!
If you ever get to that point, man, there's no coming back.
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