Proposal to revert weekly chase to Bio Deux.
Proposal to revert weekly chase to Bio Deux.
Re: Weekly Chase
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Re: Weekly Chase
Nothing significant has happened since changing the chase. I looked back at data going 3 years and at no point since bio finished its cull of the other maps in the context of the old incoherent ranking system did it become a growing concern or increase in popularity. I waited until very few players were left and advocated for coherence in the ranking system. I worked very hard on it and I managed to create a coherent change that is good and that you supported. Your advocacy now is not respectfully well developed. It does not account for any of the discussion of this subject over the years and just does an easy few sentences like nothing that has happened in the past matters. You have time to play a lot of games, but not enough interest actually to write some thoroughly developed arguments.
The data don't support your implicit argument that a big harm has happened from our making the rankings system better. Maybe 20% fewer bio deux games per month, but that's from an already very low number. It also does not mean a significant number of players departed. Lux is and has been near death. Bio is not on anyone's short list of ideas for making Lux a better place, for retaining more new players, or for gaining new players in the first place. It is not being taken away as an option for play.
If a person needs a weekly rank in order to like Bio Deux, it doesn't say much for it as a map either. You are saying these players needed to be ranked each week against some few others in order to enjoy the 7 minutes of joy per game that is Bio Deux. You can provide your own weekly rank quite easily if you like. Why not go with top 5 players who did the best against Landlord in Bio Deux on Tuesdays in Spring? Fun stuff. Give a sticker.
You can also do other things to help: Follow the rules more assiduously, discontinue bullying, don't use it to force players to choose your "be cool" play protocol. Mentor new players, should any appear.
As I said, the main current issue is marketing. If we do market better, the next barrier to success will be the culture of bullying that many veterans, including sometimes myself, employ to try and affect opponents' play choices to their advantage. You yourself have done it to me and others, Landlord. If you want Lux to be better, try doing things that make it better instead of fighting for the things that made it fall in the first place.
Re: Proposal to revert weekly chase to Bio Deux.
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Red Beard
lMarkus
llsouza
Earl
funkyfreddy
toothpick intel
the list is way bigger and this list is not 100%
but this is just some of the players who play less since it change
Re: Proposal to revert weekly chase to Bio Deux.
I dont feel like its harder to win the weekly chase now its the other way now its much easier than when it was in bio
i did like your approach at the beginning cause myself like many other players think that the game will have a better chance if we make it more fun with others map
but sadly lately ive notice that you just try to control us and not to make the game better
like if i see a move that dosnt make sense i would like tot talk about it when i ask you about it you flip over and start using really bad wards like you cant even spell right when i just reply back to you all good you lost it even more
I really cares about this game i even willing to pay member ship to keep this game alive and in better place than where it is now
but you making the changes you want it only your way and to hate bio and bring it down its wrong too you need to find a way to improve it not only by adding new things in the game but also keep what we have bio is the the most important map and will always be weather you like or not
I do think you are need to be more appreciated for what you do but it need to start from and not only talking about me all day
Re: Proposal to revert weekly chase to Bio Deux.
I do not play bio very much. I do not hate it, but I do not enjoy it enough to make it worth my time. In my opinion, it does not deserve a monopoly or any privilege at all regarding a main weekly ranking or main seeding. If you want it to have its own separate weekly ranking, I support that proposal, but am not sure my support will get you there or how much my opinion even matters.
I do NOT support making Bio Deux the face of Sillysoft hosted maps or ranking ladders. I like a weekly chase that changes. Everyone plays the same map and the rank means something. I support it with moderating effort and by trying to be there for games. Every time I subject myself to the bio room, I feel like I'm working for something I don't like or want. But that doesn't mean much. Plane Crazy only likes to play bio I believe, but he totally agrees with me on play style. I might just go in bio whenever Plane Crazy is there, maybe tempt him to play with me in other maps too. If you support me on play style, I'll try to support you more on bio too but never as the front face of Lux.
If you play with me in another map, I will try not to chat with you about your game, but you DO seem to have a serious commitment to using griefing as a way to control other players' in game behaviors and that just as much a rule violation from you as it is from any of the more famous griefers to remain nameless here. You say it's about me, but I'm not having any effect on your play. It's the same after all this time and after much effort. I am sorry if I used some bad words. I will be more careful in future. We can play 1-2 player games and I'll be cool, compliant, sorry, and all the other lovely unwritten Lux values.
The game overall has very low participation and bio does too. Bio won't make Lux grow or become more attractive. Decrease bullying and other ugliness inside, and make it more attractive in the market outside. Maybe that would work, but it's no certainty that's for sure. I am not in a position to do the marketing and I only barely have an effect on the bullying.
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Re: Proposal to revert weekly chase to Bio Deux.
Expectation:
You believe yourself/selves capable of increasing participation and competitiveness through player interaction and map selection. That getting the word out on Lux will have some sort of dramatic change to overall participation.
Reality:
A 10+ year old program from the early days of indie development now competing in a saturated market with much newer products. A program that has been on Steam, the largest virtual marketplace, for long enough to have long experienced any effect marketing would give you. Along with this is the reality that there is zero you as a player can do to impact if a player stays. You can impact if they leave (bullying as you mentioned), but there is no real meat on the bones of Lux to keep anyone playing online. This is a niche of a niche and there are far newer and deeper experiences for people looking for competitive strategic environments.
I have no doubt these same comments will pop up in another 3 months just as it has seemingly every quarter for the last 5 years.
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